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	<title>Comments on: New Site For Motion Designers And Photographers to Show Off Their Work</title>
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		<title>By: Camm</title>
		<link>http://greyscalegorilla.com/blog/2009/06/creativeleague/comment-page-1/#comment-4067</link>
		<dc:creator>Camm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for catching that, Lee!</description>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://greyscalegorilla.com/blog/2009/06/creativeleague/comment-page-1/#comment-4057</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really really excellent idea. It&#039;s about time somebody really made a portal for a community like this.  I was eagerly awaiting for the release, and it looks great!

Aaron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really really excellent idea. It&#8217;s about time somebody really made a portal for a community like this.  I was eagerly awaiting for the release, and it looks great!</p>
<p>Aaron</p>
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		<title>By: scaryBasement</title>
		<link>http://greyscalegorilla.com/blog/2009/06/creativeleague/comment-page-1/#comment-4020</link>
		<dc:creator>scaryBasement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to hear such insight.  I agree that the ratings system seems to be a necessity as there should definitely be some way for clients to catalog skill level.  And looking at the way the ratings appear on your site, they do appear semi-accurate.

However I think the comparison to Yelp and the App Store isn&#039;t entirely apt, as the people who are rating those businesses/apps are past clients/end-users.  Ratings on your site come from, it seems, the freelancers themselves as well as clients (anybody who has an account.)

However, as I&#039;ve said - the ratings on your site do seem to correspond to quality, so maybe this is all moot and your system works anyway.  I certainly wouldn&#039;t think that any honest freelancer would &quot;sabotage&quot; the rating of somebody else, but I do get a little concerned.

Once again I&#039;d like to thank you for coming up with this site.  It&#039;s really a great resource and I certainly hope that it becomes very successful, both for my sake and yours.  Good job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to hear such insight.  I agree that the ratings system seems to be a necessity as there should definitely be some way for clients to catalog skill level.  And looking at the way the ratings appear on your site, they do appear semi-accurate.</p>
<p>However I think the comparison to Yelp and the App Store isn&#8217;t entirely apt, as the people who are rating those businesses/apps are past clients/end-users.  Ratings on your site come from, it seems, the freelancers themselves as well as clients (anybody who has an account.)</p>
<p>However, as I&#8217;ve said &#8211; the ratings on your site do seem to correspond to quality, so maybe this is all moot and your system works anyway.  I certainly wouldn&#8217;t think that any honest freelancer would &#8220;sabotage&#8221; the rating of somebody else, but I do get a little concerned.</p>
<p>Once again I&#8217;d like to thank you for coming up with this site.  It&#8217;s really a great resource and I certainly hope that it becomes very successful, both for my sake and yours.  Good job!</p>
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		<title>By: Camm</title>
		<link>http://greyscalegorilla.com/blog/2009/06/creativeleague/comment-page-1/#comment-3996</link>
		<dc:creator>Camm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Leah - your feedback is much appreciated. It sounds like we do need to take a look at our ratings system, and find a happy medium...

..It if fairly common for sites that offer a wide selection of goods/services, to have some kind of system to inform the shopper as to what their most popular/highest rated options are. Think of yelp.com, or even the iPhone app store. Without being able to sort for &quot;highest rated&quot; mechanic or &quot;most downloaded&quot; game, it would be more difficult to use these tools. In a way our site is similar - but rather than mechanics, we&#039;re helping visitors find creatives. While the star rating may not be the perfect solution, we think that it is necessary to have something like it to help visitors. 

As far as your suggestion that star ratings being meaningless to potential employers, I would again reference sites like yelp.com, where millions of people are hired - usually based on their positive ratings.

Also, as a potential employer myself (at DK), I frequently hire freelance creatives and use the star ratings to aid in my search.

..Of course, there are many other ways to narrow the results on CL, using the search: searching by location, availability, skill set keywords, etc. But those are all user defined attributes. Like with yelp.com, we think that the quality rating should be determined by others, or else it would be irrelevant. A popularity contest? Perhaps it is to a certain extent - We like to assume that our members are honest people who won&#039;t spend their time &quot;sabotaging&quot; others due to a competitive conflict of interests. Also, you&#039;re correct, the ratings don&#039;t reflect the # of votes, they just reflect the average vote. It&#039;s like a GPA in school.

Thanks again for your feedback - it is valued and being seriously considered

We&#039;ll be looking into a way to improve our system thanks to yours and these other comments. If you have specific suggestions, we&#039;d love to hear them via email team(at)creativeleague.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Leah &#8211; your feedback is much appreciated. It sounds like we do need to take a look at our ratings system, and find a happy medium&#8230;</p>
<p>..It if fairly common for sites that offer a wide selection of goods/services, to have some kind of system to inform the shopper as to what their most popular/highest rated options are. Think of yelp.com, or even the iPhone app store. Without being able to sort for &#8220;highest rated&#8221; mechanic or &#8220;most downloaded&#8221; game, it would be more difficult to use these tools. In a way our site is similar &#8211; but rather than mechanics, we&#8217;re helping visitors find creatives. While the star rating may not be the perfect solution, we think that it is necessary to have something like it to help visitors. </p>
<p>As far as your suggestion that star ratings being meaningless to potential employers, I would again reference sites like yelp.com, where millions of people are hired &#8211; usually based on their positive ratings.</p>
<p>Also, as a potential employer myself (at DK), I frequently hire freelance creatives and use the star ratings to aid in my search.</p>
<p>..Of course, there are many other ways to narrow the results on CL, using the search: searching by location, availability, skill set keywords, etc. But those are all user defined attributes. Like with yelp.com, we think that the quality rating should be determined by others, or else it would be irrelevant. A popularity contest? Perhaps it is to a certain extent &#8211; We like to assume that our members are honest people who won&#8217;t spend their time &#8220;sabotaging&#8221; others due to a competitive conflict of interests. Also, you&#8217;re correct, the ratings don&#8217;t reflect the # of votes, they just reflect the average vote. It&#8217;s like a GPA in school.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your feedback &#8211; it is valued and being seriously considered</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll be looking into a way to improve our system thanks to yours and these other comments. If you have specific suggestions, we&#8217;d love to hear them via email team(at)creativeleague.com</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool site. Props for doing something to help creative people get noticed and get work.

Frankly, though, ratings are a bad idea. I read the rationale in the comments above, but it sounds like you&#039;re trying to justify their inclusion, rather than explaining why there&#039;s a *need* for them. Work speaks for itself. A star rating on a demo reel on a web site is pretty meaningless to any potential employer. There&#039;s much more that goes into a hiring decision.

Other problems with this: ratings are subjective; there&#039;s a de facto conflict of interest amongst site members; ratings do not seem to be weighted in accordance to number of votes (?); ratings systems encourage popularity contests and cliques; etc.

When there are so many cons and so few pros, it&#039;s time to rethink your decision.

Anyway, again, it&#039;s good of you guys to put this out there and try to do something different. You&#039;re on the right track, but I suggest you shoot for professionalism, a la Krop, rather than the YouTube-esque star rating standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool site. Props for doing something to help creative people get noticed and get work.</p>
<p>Frankly, though, ratings are a bad idea. I read the rationale in the comments above, but it sounds like you&#8217;re trying to justify their inclusion, rather than explaining why there&#8217;s a *need* for them. Work speaks for itself. A star rating on a demo reel on a web site is pretty meaningless to any potential employer. There&#8217;s much more that goes into a hiring decision.</p>
<p>Other problems with this: ratings are subjective; there&#8217;s a de facto conflict of interest amongst site members; ratings do not seem to be weighted in accordance to number of votes (?); ratings systems encourage popularity contests and cliques; etc.</p>
<p>When there are so many cons and so few pros, it&#8217;s time to rethink your decision.</p>
<p>Anyway, again, it&#8217;s good of you guys to put this out there and try to do something different. You&#8217;re on the right track, but I suggest you shoot for professionalism, a la Krop, rather than the YouTube-esque star rating standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Camm</title>
		<link>http://greyscalegorilla.com/blog/2009/06/creativeleague/comment-page-1/#comment-3977</link>
		<dc:creator>Camm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of a private comments function sounds interesting for sure- We decided to keep comments out of the site at it&#039;s conception - keeping it functioning more simply as ONLY a talent directory rather than a &quot;community/discussion&quot; kind of site.. Ultimately, we wanted to make it a place that caters to people looking to hire, and those people may not appreciate the discussion aspect. Very interesting idea though -

re: the other stats, that could be really nice as well, we may be able to integrate that kind of thing down the road.

thanks for the great feedback!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of a private comments function sounds interesting for sure- We decided to keep comments out of the site at it&#8217;s conception &#8211; keeping it functioning more simply as ONLY a talent directory rather than a &#8220;community/discussion&#8221; kind of site.. Ultimately, we wanted to make it a place that caters to people looking to hire, and those people may not appreciate the discussion aspect. Very interesting idea though -</p>
<p>re: the other stats, that could be really nice as well, we may be able to integrate that kind of thing down the road.</p>
<p>thanks for the great feedback!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great site, I actually like the rating system but would love to see even more stat info. Figure out how many people watched a video or how many website clickthrus I have or who is doing the clicking, etc. Also a feedback/commenting system (even if private) would be nice. The more info that helps me gauge where my work is at and interact with clients and designers the better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great site, I actually like the rating system but would love to see even more stat info. Figure out how many people watched a video or how many website clickthrus I have or who is doing the clicking, etc. Also a feedback/commenting system (even if private) would be nice. The more info that helps me gauge where my work is at and interact with clients and designers the better!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Culp</title>
		<link>http://greyscalegorilla.com/blog/2009/06/creativeleague/comment-page-1/#comment-3969</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Culp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that now, and it does work well. It still seems like more info about each movie or member should be displayed when a client searches. For movie, the project type (30sec spot, reel, etc?) The balance between recommendations and rating mentioned below could be useful when searching members.

Overall, I always welcome new ways to find work, cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that now, and it does work well. It still seems like more info about each movie or member should be displayed when a client searches. For movie, the project type (30sec spot, reel, etc?) The balance between recommendations and rating mentioned below could be useful when searching members.</p>
<p>Overall, I always welcome new ways to find work, cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: scaryBasement</title>
		<link>http://greyscalegorilla.com/blog/2009/06/creativeleague/comment-page-1/#comment-3966</link>
		<dc:creator>scaryBasement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s a great idea.</description>
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		<title>By: Camm</title>
		<link>http://greyscalegorilla.com/blog/2009/06/creativeleague/comment-page-1/#comment-3964</link>
		<dc:creator>Camm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, scaryBasement - please see the reply I posted above, re: separating studios &amp; individuals. It seems that we might need to make this current functionality more clear to visitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, scaryBasement &#8211; please see the reply I posted above, re: separating studios &amp; individuals. It seems that we might need to make this current functionality more clear to visitors.</p>
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