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Nice! I have been trying to get it to work since your workshop at Hyper
Amazing! You are the man!
Please hellppp!!!
Im doing the same tutorial, but I have The cinema 4d r12 and it not working.
How i can do it?
I think this tutorial may help. http://greyscalegorilla.com/blog/2011/10/modynamics-vs-new-dynamics/
Thanks very much for you help but I continue without obtaining it. May I´m very stupid
If you can help me please? I have the file of the chain. How i can send you for help me?
Thank you very much!!!
yeahhh i have get it!!!!!!!! Thank´s
Thanks Nick! Have been looking for a solution to this! and once again you got the answer.
Check this guy!
Different solution, but realy nice to.
It’s nr. 6th from the top
http://jorgelega.com/tutorials.html
Thank you for this link…
Pretty cool stuff… never stumbled across this site.
exactly, I was just going to point that out, why not use a spline effector? works for me every time!!!
cheers
Outstanding
Thanks nick, i will watch it when i get home. Did you see the work around posyed in comments on my vimeo question video. It worked using two fracture mograph objects. Keep on keepin on
love Dynamic !!
Good Tut mr gorilla
Very clever! Had this exact problem.
Great work Nick – I was wondering how to do something like this.
Very good – thanks for sharing – always giving me the WOW !! good Man!
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Great! This is exactly what I was searching for yesterday. I have to animate a key chain.
Okay, so how do you attach something to the end of the chain, such as a ball?
I’m trying to figure that one out too. Problem is I have an entire lamp with bulb that I want to dangle from the chain. Tried a number of things but I can’t get them to go. I was thinking of trying to link the root null of the lamp to the position and rotation of the last link but I’m not sure how to do that.
Awesome tutorial as always, and I do like (or at least not mind) your more off-the-cuff tutorials, but I really would appreciate a preview video separate from the actual tutorial, I’d love to see what I would be making before I spend the 20 minutes to learn it
Thanks for the reminder. I just posted a Preview
yeaahhh boiiiii!!!!! thanks nick!
pretty clever ! null object, damn it !
thx for sharing the info, really helpful.
GREAT!!! Thank you!
A Grand Unified Theory of Chain Dynamics. I like it.
Thanks!!!! more marble lifting options ;O)
check this out
http://www.vimeo.com/8696587
marble lift tute.
Thanks for the link, I already found your srew earlier, nice to see you made a how to.
Here is one of my attempts :
http://www.vimeo.com/8691315
and now with the above tutorial, I am trying to build a different one
Thanks!!!
always null object works^^
Cool Nick. The little part with the explosion deformer was brilliant. Seen somebody do it manually by separating all segments and using the fracture object then but this is the non destructive way of doint it. Very nice. One thing i would do to make it faster is using uniform as the subdivision mode in the rail spline for the chain link and set it low on the collider cahin and i tend to use the N-sided spline for the shape rather than a low value circle. Can still use the circle in the “pretty chain” .
Nice to see that convex shapes aren’t so hard in MoDyn. Seen some other cool methods but this is non destructive so it’s cool.
P..:
Very, very clear and useful tutorial. It covers far more than swinging chains. Well done…you’ve given me some new ideas
the ULTRA sollution!
Nice work around… thanks
Very nice tutorial!
I’d just like to offer my help if for some reason you ever get stuck.
Love your approach to the whole helping everyone out thing too!
Cheers,
Aleksey
hey guys what is the best way to get mograph2 is there a free site or am i just dreaming?
You can get it at Maxon: http://www.maxon.net/products.html
Check out the Broadcast Bundle. It includes Mograph2
http://www.maxon.net/products/editions-bundles/editions/broadcast-edition.html
Don’t forget to tell people to check “Render Instances” in the Object tab of the Dynamic Chain. I was stuck for 20 minutes trying to figure that out.
Thanks, that’s where I was stuck
Nick thank you for solving my chain question. Awesome job! I have one more question about this. If I want to connect the chain together to be like a necklace, I’m guessing all I have to do is make the cloner object radial instead of linear? Hope I’m right…
hmm, can’t figure out how to rotate the links on this one… did you figure it out?
Nevermind, I got it. I duplicated the (radial) cloner object and turned it 90 and then spaced them out to fit linked into each other… BOOM. NECKLACE.
Couldn’t have done it without your mention of RADIAL, thanks.
HI Nick,
Thanks for the great tut!
I did notice that I had to keep the Fracture Object in the pretty chain hierarchy for the Inheritance to work properly – hope that helps someone else who’s stuck.
keep up the great work
Thanks for this tip, dude. You just vindicated a night of frustration!
Alright, so I’m racking my brain trying to attach a lamp to this chain. I have tried a number of different techniques to get the lamp to be correctly dynamized but nothing is working.
I have tried polygonizing and connect so the entire lamp is one polygon and then doing the Fracture Object/Explosion workaround and the closest I can get is having the entire lamp fall to the ground while the chain passes through it. Or I had the chain stay connected to the link attached to the top of the lamp and the rest of the lamp pieces blew up.
Any ideas?
Same problem here. Can’t figure out how to solve this.
I have tried this, and I had some luck.
If you put the lamp in a separate cloner object, with the same structure as the chain. And make null objects of the seperate parts of the lamp inside the fracture object.
http://www.vimeo.com/9075544
Any chance I can get a look at your project file? Even just a screen shot the hierarchy folded out would make me really happy.
Pwease?
no problem, I send you a message through vimeo..
I’ll post a quick look arround on vimeo as well, somebody else might find it usefull….
Would be great if Magic could let us in on his secret. Tricky stuff.
Nothing tricky, just trying stuff, and oops heey it works.. There is probably a better way to do this but I haven’t found it yet. Maybe someone finds it after seeing my set-up…
http://vimeo.com/9084129
Heeee Nick! you did it!
Thanks!
maybe a project file?
Exactly what i was trying to do last night.
But I didn’t think about using the Explode Object.
And the null object Trick is a must know.
Thanks by the way !
great thanks a lot
That’s great stuff. I think Mograph2 is becoming a powerfull tool thanks to your tutorials
Is there any possibility to “bake” the dynamics and then replace the dynamic objects with good looking high poly objects that it calculates the dynamics as fast as with the low poly objects?
That may work. Did you try it? I think this way makes things more flexible for making changes though.
God bless you and your brain man!!! what would we do without you!
Hi Nick,
Could you bypass all the mo-graph filters like cloner / bomb etc…If you built the chains as individual polys and made them editable objects then apply the dynamics?
That might work. There’s only one way to find out…
You rock, Nick! Invaluable stuff.
Thanks for sharing.
Awesome tutorial!
Exactly what i was looking for!
I had tried to create a chain, but i had the same problems.
Thanks a lot!
Great tutorial. Mograph 2 is bomb.
My go at it…
http://vimeo.com/9076958
Hey Nick! Thanks so much for this, I’ve been having a ton of problems making gears work in C4D and had to use blocks instead of cylinders to hold the gear shafts.
Now I can update this further.
http://vimeo.com/8936757
I have user data on them to change the size and xpresso controls the amount of teeth and even polygons in the cylinder.
Great man, really good stuff…I noticed that you entertained some tutorial recommendations, so I have a dynamics one if you feel up to it. great stuff keep it up…
http://www.vimeo.com/9083469
P.S. To Reply to Jimmy and Brady Sammons above, if you use the ring trick I just mentioned (near bottom), you can set the collision type of a start and end ring to Static and control the ends of your rope that way. If you want the rope to look like a rope rather than a chain, set up an Xpresso tag to have each point in a cubic spline center itself on each point in the chain, then model your rope around the spline as an extrude object or braid or whatever, then let the chain do the course physics- rendering only the spline based rope… constructing crude robotic links and hinges like this is the only way to work around this limitation in this first edition of MoDynamics. i’m sure they’ll fix all of this with V12.
For anybody who is trying to figure out how to attach a ball to the chain check out my video.
http://www.vimeo.com/9084889
Here is how I did it in Cinema
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4315659192_b9fbb3e6af_o.jpg
Thanks to Magic for figuring it out first.
I never thought knocking blocks over could be so much fun.
What for is the torus below the floor object?
The torus is what I attached the chain to.
Ah, I see. Thank you.
WOW!!! U R GREAT!
I don’t know why u must put a null object… why you must use an explosion modifier… where is the logical line… BUT U ARRIVED WHERE I THINK NOBODY CAN DO!
(sorry if my english is not perfect like your tutorials, but i’m italian! auhauhauh!)
mmm… i speak too early!
I’ve got a problem.. in your video tutorial it’s all ok.. .but when i applied INHERITANCE EFFECTOR to a perfect render chain i don’t see an effect on it! mmm!!!
How did you make the copy of your Pretty Chain? When I first made a copy, I did a ctrl+drag and that gave me problems with the inheritance tag. Then I used cmd+c/cmd+v and it worked.
Quality!
thanks! thanks! thanks!
great solution
here my test
http://vimeo.com/9086640
Wow, I must say that this is a very time-consuming way of making it work.
Of course I can’t do it any better, but in cases like this, it would have been awesome to know Maya or 3Max or something.
But after all, Cinema is nicer.
Hey, awesome tut!
Great workaround… Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2OVwevqKuc
I just wanted to say thanks for figuring out this problem. Love the process. I do want to add my two cents. Pretty much all of the examples I’ve seen look like slow motion. My test has the gravity set to 20000 and it seems to help with a more real time look. Here’s the link..
http://www.vimeo.com/9100104
Alec
can’t watch it, it seems to be private..
Sorry about that. It’s public now.
prolly really simple but… where do you set the gravity?
I think, the very first object in the cloner object is the actual object you put inside, it is not an instance like the clones. So the effectors that only work with clones does not effect it. That may be why you need a null object. That’s my guess
Great tut by the way!!!
sorry for eng. i am from Turkey
Here’s my go at it.
http://www.vimeo.com/9121929
Fantastic! I can imagine that this technique will be good for a who bunch of other stuff as well.
Cheers Nick!
thanks nick
I tyr to solve this problem but i cant
In my process, the inheritance effector is not working
pretty chain is not follw the dynamic chain like a still image
plz somebody help me~?_?
can you post your project file somewhere? Maybe I can have a look and see what is going on..
I’m sorry
um;; let me know ur email;;
I have a no site to posting.
maybe post it at c4d cafe…
http://www.c4dcafe.com/ipb/index.php?
Hey Luke,
i had the same issue, if you follow the tutorial part where you add the Null inbetween the 2 layers. Mine went from not following to then working, it didn’t work until i added the Null Object.
Give that a try.
Good Luck
I also have this problem.
I created a scene, built a wall and a dynamic chain, all works fine but when I add the pretty chain it won’t follow.
I did add the null objects.
Maybe I can do a little video to show you and upload my project file later.
Dammit. My Chain gets alway ripped apart. Does anyone know why this happens?
try playing with the mass
Thanks. I did so and gave the ball attached to the chain a very little mass. Now it works.
Nice tutorial nick, the render instances option in mograph always seems to make things faster, which is good. Is there any reasons why you wouldn’t use it? Seems to me that it almost should be on by default.
http://www.vimeo.com/9176134
both chains done with the above tutorial…
I removed the pretty chain on the lamp, I liked the ugly one better in this case…
Just watched the cineversity series on this concave shape problem. Be sure to do this too as it’s under free tutorials and explains some methods that might be also a good workaround in some cases.
P..:
magic & ryan & thomas thanks for advice
really appreciate
Eventually i solve this problem
The problem is order of chain
when i fist try, the dynamic chain is upper than pretty chain becaus its not working
I spend almost 1day for this problem
but really happy
thak u for every one~ ^^
Hi Nick,
really appreciated your tutorial! I found a slightly different approach without the need for an explosion object or the extra null object in hierarchy.
Basically I just split up the chain link into multiple sweep nurbs with ‘keep segments’ enabled, first one’s growth from 0-7%, next 8-15%, next 16-34% and so on…
Get what I mean?
I’ll return with some pictures and explanations later.
J. [mediengestalt]
By the way nice tutorial. I was actually trying that out the other day. here’s a tutorial I made a while back. http://jorgelega.com/tutorials_chain.html
Hey Greyscale Gorilla,
thanks for the perfect TUT! Here is what i created… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Led6FzrsRkM please make a comment how you like it!
Greets from Germany!
For the people having trouble getting the Inheritance Effector to work, make sure you have ‘Render Instances’ ticked in the cloner objects. It seems to rely on that for some reason.
when i use the inheratince effector my nice chain wont move.
Hi Patrick,
did you…
…remove the rigid body tag from the ‘nice chain’ cloner object?
…tick the option ‘render instances’ for both cloner objects (see Dan Bartley’s post above)?
…place the inheritance effector right above your ‘nice chain’?
…insert the additional null object to make it work (see 12:40 in Nick’s tutorial vid)?
Hope one of these 4 has caused it
Jan [mediengestalt]
ahh thanks works now
woaaww.. now we are talkin’.. awesome.
Inspired by the chain demo, I’ve been building some other physics objects. A video and C4D file is available for each.
* Nervous Nelly (Magnetic Pendulum) – Short chain connected to rod. Forces. Magnet that appears to be part of rod but must be separate so that forces work right.
* Fighting Tops – Spinning tops that really keep their balance. Concave bowl.
* Newton’s Cradle – Ball connected to two rod-and-loop. Realistic momentum.
http://kd.dynip.com/chip/v14/C4DToys/
- Carl Kadie
Checkout this TUT.
Using spline dynamics and contraints.
No audio just video sadly.
regards
Deelan
http://www.viefex.com/view_tutorial.php?viewkey=9d9058fcb0b968dbbbd6&page=1&viewtype=&category=8
my chain continues to rip apart even after having my mass from zero to 1000 anybody have any ideas?
Cool tutorial, I´m learning a lot from this site. Good work!!
Hello.. Great tutorial.. Can someone please tell me what I would use if I wanted to attatch a smaller ring to the end of the chain that falls freely with it? I can almost achieve this but gravity pulls the ring right through the chain..
My goal is to have to chains falling with NAme Tag in between..
Construct your ring the same way and put it in a separate cloner. Move that cloner to place the ring around the link you prefer and put a separate rigid body tag on it.
Thanks Graham.. I did it..
Came out pretty good.. 8 hours of rendering later. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBJ5iWINucE
Hi GreyScaleGorilla,
I found a link to your tutorial while posting a video on my youtube site. I posted a handful of MoDynamics chain animations last September that may interest your viewers. My favorite is the lariat chain… although the physics is so unbelievable in real life (versions of this in a lot of science museums including the Exploratorium in San Francisco) that I think most people ignore it http://www.youtube.com/user/grahamj21#p/u/22/-DVn06r8FUs
I like the bomb/fracture solution. I’ll have to do some time tests for comparison, but I typically built my rough proxy links for the physics calculations by placing cloners, for rounded ends, in the main cloner, with two rectangles for the sides of the links in the nulls. You can deconstruct any complex shape this way, but your explode technique looks much faster, at least for building roughs. As long as you collect everything into a null and use Top Level.
I encountered the limitation of the concave hulls almost immediately when I downloaded the trial of 11.5 and tried to fill a capless cylinder with spheres hoping I could pour it out onto a floor… even deleting one side from a cube and inverting the normals failed to generate a “hollow” object in the MoDynamics world. A few tests later and seeing the option for convex, but not concave shapes revealed the problem and one solution.
Great Tutorial- thanks for posting and I’m glad I found this site.
Graham
P.S. To Reply to Jimmy and Brady Sammons above, if you use the ring trick I just mentioned (Two comments up), you can set the collision type of a start and end ring to Static and control the ends of your rope that way. If you want the rope to look like a rope rather than a chain, set up an Xpresso tag to have each point in a cubic spline center itself on each point in the chain, then model your rope around the spline as an extrude object or braid or whatever, then let the chain do the course physics- rendering only the spline based rope… constructing crude robotic links and hinges like this is the only way to work around this limitation in this first edition of MoDynamics. i’m sure they’ll fix all of this with V12.
bello!
Hi nick, just a quick dumb question, is this rigid body tag exist only in Mograph 2? coz I’ve got the C4D R11 and I don’t seeing it in my Mograph tag.
and thanks for this awsome tutorial
Yeah, It’s new to Mograph 2 and 11.5.
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As you may notice in the trackbacks at the bottom of this page, I have created a bunch of tutorials and one of them will be of particular interest to anyone following this thread, I created what Graham was describing above using radial cloners to construct the links instead of the fracture/bomb solution with a sweep nurbs. It renders much faster then this solution and for chains specifically I think it’s the way to go.
check out the tutorial and feel free to make comments! you can click my name above to get to my website or click this link http://paulagostinelli.com/2010/03/15/cinema-4d-complete-and-advanced-quick-dynamic-chain-tutorial/
to jump directly to the post’s page.
Again, BIG thanks to Nick for all his hard work teaching us, and to Graham for the inspiration for this work around!
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Hey Nick, i dont have Rigid body, there is Only MoGraph Cash and Mograph selection, is Rigid body plugin?:(
need your help please
can i downloade it?
great from Germany;)
You need Cinema 4D 11.5 and Mograph 2 for modynamics and the ridged body tag.
Hey thanks for the tutorial, Ive been trying to use mograph text with this but I cant get it to work I use a fracture object but it just disappears
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Check this out Nick !
http://tinyurl.com/MoDynTorus
Not sure if you take a look at facebook so i post it here too ! ^^
What is it?
Its a MoDyn Torus. Create Chains like you did in this tutorial, but faster to build and faster to simulate
Hope you like it!
PS: Updatet:
http://www.4shared.com/dir/wlRMMnlz/MoDyn_Torus.html
Please tell me what you think about it ?
hey, how can i do this, using groups of object?
they dont keep together..
thanks!
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You are great, The Gorilla! Thanks a lot for sharing!
Thanks, Thomas!
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Does not work the same way in Cinema 4D 12! Just so everybody know. Spent a couple of hours then I just switched to 11.5 and it worked staight away.
In 12, you don’t need a work around for chains. You can just make real chains and set the mode to moving mesh.
Thanks, I figured there was an easier way in 12!
‘Moving Mesh’ works in r12, but with more then 5 chainlinks (cloned) it seems to break up still, how many did you use Johan?
yup. In R12 you set the chain(cloner)dynamics body tag’s shape to “moving mesh” and set the cylinder’s shape to “static mesh.” The most important part is to Hit play and smile.
I forgot to mention above that under your chain tag’s collision settings you need to set “individual elements” to top level. Now, you can press play and smile.
Kuunami, you good man!
i watched your tutorials on this and i came up with a different way to do to this which isnt limited to o chains but can be with any shape with U’s or holes.
what you do is you make the link, go into select faces mode, get the rectangle select tool, deselect only select visible, and select every face in and on an object. go ip to functions and choose ‘disconnect’ and deselect preserve groups. then go up to functions again and choose explode segments. this may take a few seconds depending on your comp and number of polys.
what you now have is a null with every poly face of that object under it as its own object, but since its in a null you can move that null and everything else moves as if they were all the same object.
now open up the null and select everything in it. every thing. give it a rigid body tag, select all of the tags and turn off dynamic, so that each is just a collision object.
now make a cloner object and put the null in. make the cloner only make 1 clone. now make another cloner and put the first cloner in that. change the settings to whatever you like with that one, as if you just had a object in it. give the topmost cloner a rigid body tag, and make it dynamic. change those settings as you wish.
this is tested in 11.5 and 12
I’ve tried to do that, but I didn’t figure out exactly how to make it. Can you create a file or short movie tutorial on screenr.com?
I’ll be so appreciate for your help.
Thank you very much in advance.
Man great tutorial, I want to thank you for your work and sharing.
. . . Nothing happens when I hit play, the chain doesn’t even blow up, or fall down.
I’m pretty new to C4D, but followed the tutorial and still can’t figure out what I’m doing wrong, any help would be huge! Thanks!
Nevermind, missed where I was supposed to put the rigid body tag on the chain as well – thanks for the tutorial!
Hi Nick brilliant tut, just having a problem when I make the chain longer say 80 links. I have the chain attached to four rigid body links evenly spaced 20 links apart. My problem is when I run the simulation the chain breaks in the third 20 link section. Any ideas mate?
Regards
Gary
Try upping your “Steps Per Frame” in your expert dynamics document settings.
great tutorial. thanks GSG. this is my work i used r12 of cinema 4d
http://www.vimeo.com/17942067
Hey Nick, great tut love the blog. I am having trouble with the step where I add the fracture object, after the fist frame the whole chain just disappears. Please help, I have a great idea of what I can do with this if I could only make it work.
Thanks-
Alex
I’m trying to make one of the links break and the bottom on the chain follows its way down. I’m using v12. Any help? I´m trying with a NURBS like in the tutorial but i can’t break it… Thanks!!
I´ll try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqgzgYVc9QE
It´s so so simple a a little bit bad. I made it putting the broken piece static at first, without no dynamics and no seen by render, then when i want to break the link i change the grades of the link and active the dynamics and the seen by render… It´s so rudimentary…
I can’t seem to get this to work in cinema v12 using the simulation options. Is this only possible with mograph 2? I hope not! because I don’t have it
.
Hey Nick, how u doing?..
I have some problems with this tutorial.. i can’t find the rigid body icon in mograph tags. Why is this?.. The C4D v.12 does’t have the Mograph v.2?
Thanks..
Andres
Hi, Andres! The rigid body tag has moved to the Simulation Tab in v12
Hey there. I’m trying this with a dumbell and all I need is for it to fall to the ground and break up the ground using explode. I’ve got the ground plane breaking thing happening fine but I can’t figure out how to get the dumbell to drop without the weights flying upward. Most of the object seem fine but the weights fly upward and appear to go through the bar. Can someone help?
Hi Nick.. when i start doing this tutorial I cannot achieve to work. i’m using C4D12. Just a minute ago, i tried something and work perfectly without helpers or an modifier. I just put the dynamic body to the first chain and only change the Shape setting to “Moving Mesh”.. then.. everything is paradise.
Thanks for everythin..
Andres
http://vimeo.com/15379922
CHAIN FOR R12.
Hey Nick, love the tutorial, but I can’t get it to work. I’ve read all the comments, but the trick for C4D R12 is to select “moving mesh”? Is that just for the Studio bundle? I just see “static mesh” along with other shape options.
Hey, i have a trouble here, i don’t know if i can post my project here and some one (. . . expert one) can check this out. the problem is that, i have all in order and i have do all the steps well, but, i think that my inheritance effect doesn’t work well.
Here is my file
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JX2KCCG0
Well thank you, see ya
Hey!
For those that have trouble:
In my case I had to change the Individual Elements option from Top Level, like Nick said, to Off. Then everything worked perfectly for me ^^
So keep at it, and keep tweaking!
Best of luck, all.
Thanks for the great post!
Seems like something was changed in R12, has anyone figured out how to make this work in the latest version of C4D?
I got it working in R12, but I didn’t need all the work-arounds – my guess is that Maxon improved the dynamics engine. Basically, I was able to choose “Dynamics Tag > Collision > Shape > Moving Mesh”. My understanding is that this does the same thing as exploding the shape and using fracture to compute each polygon as a collision object.
I originally had a lot of problems with my chain splitting, but I increased the scale of my model tenfold and the links finally stopped tearing apart. You can also play with the master dynamics settings in “Edit > Project Settings > Dynamics > Expert”, but increasing the accuracy there was killing my machine. It was far better to just scale up the objects.
Awesome, thanks Thomas. I got it to work yesterday morning and definitely noticed that the Dynamics Module Workflow has been simplified tremendously (For the user). I used this tutorial that is more up to date instead: http://vimeo.com/15379922
Thanks again for the reply!
Hey Nick,
I am having a problem with this tutorial i dont know why but about to go crazy, evertime after adding the fracture and setting that up to explode segments and connect my chain dissapears in the viewport i spent hours trying to find the solution but cant please HELP!!!