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Introducing Cineware proxy

The swell folks over at Mamoworld and aescripts + aeplugins and have released a new script that really improves your Cineware workflow. It’s called Cineware proxy and it speeds up your Cineware workflow by managing your 3D caches and proxies inside of After Effects.

You Take Control

Having a live link to Cinema 4D using Cineware is really amazing. After Effects tries to intelligently cache your renders and does a pretty good job. But sometimes, it will re-render your Cineware layer when you don’t want it to. Cineware proxy changes this. This new script allows YOU to have control over when Cineware updates. Not AE.

Speed Up Your Workflow

First, use Cineware proxy to make a temporary proxy of your 3D render. Then, render that proxy using AE’s Render Queue. Or, even better, use aescripts + aeplugins own Background Renderer to render while you continue to work. When your render is finished, you can then use that proxy as your Cineware layer until YOU tell it to update. This significantly speeds up your compositing and makes for a much more “Real Time” After Effects experience. Then, when you need to make changes or update your Cineware layer, use Cineware proxy to go back to your current C4D file and all the compositing changes you made on the proxy stay on the layer. Pretty cool stuff.

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Use the promo code “bgcine” when purchasing Cineware proxy and get 20% off BG Render Pro. It’s featured in the video above. It allows you to render After Effects while still continuing to work in After Effects.

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47 Comments

  1. rich nosworthy

    Nice work AEscripts for thinking of this. Although i feel that adobe should put this into cineware as standard. Still its early days for the tool

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  2. arnaud

    Great script, but I think it’s quite expensive, for something you can do manually.

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    • Render a proxy once and replace it manually? Sure. But manage many layers and passes of Cineware and change it multiple times and the overhead becomes far too much for me to do it manually every time. Computers and software exist so we don’t have to do the same things over and over again.

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      • Nico

        Nick I do not want to bother you but could you upload your layout somewhere your standard thing that you ever use

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  3. nesafarm

    Nice script, but this cripples one benefit cineware has – that is there’s no need to render multiple image files, apart from final one. It would be better from Maxon to try to harness the power of gnu (or multiple gpus) and to make cineware much more responsive than it is now. This script is helpful but is workaround, not a solution.

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  4. Jeroen Beltman

    Hi Nick, thanks again for the great explanation on this new tool.
    I am just wondering what the benefits are over rendering just a proxy in Cinema to start with and using that for compositing? Or are you actually doing that but now initiate rendering from the AE side …? So things are like they were?

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  5. Jarrad Gittos

    So it’s basically like rendering out a draft image sequence in C4D and swapping out the comp with the rendered sequence? Something you could do without the plugin, but with a few more mouse clicks? Is there any speed improvement on the render side going with this route? Or is it just a convenience thing – so you don’t have to dive back into C4D

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    • True. Almost anything can be done by hand. Tools are invented and sold to speed up the process. For me, this plugin saves more time than it’s one time cost.

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  6. Joshua Perlson

    Greyscale Gorilla products are incredible for two reasons…they really help your work flow and they’re competitively priced. You guys do an amazing job. That being said, this is script is way over priced for what it does. $60 on sale and $80 regularly? I have no problem whatsoever paying for scripts but they should be priced appropriately for what they are. This script doesn’t even send the render to the media encoder (After Effect’s built in background renderer)

    This script is a great idea but I wouldn’t pay more than $10 for it.

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  7. Gabriel

    60$ ?

    Why not hit render in C4D and load this sequence as a proxy in AE ?
    It will ‘render in the bg’ automatically as it’s rendering in C4D, and if you have a render farm or another machine it will be very fast.

    Good technique tho, but 60$ to render in after effects the same thing you can render in c4d ?

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    • A few things to note. If you have Cinema 4D Lite, you don’t have the option of rendering in C4D.

      Also, If you have more than one Cineware layer, it can be very tedious to render and set proxies. If you have a current workflow that works for you, this script may not be something you need. But, for me, it speeds up a very tedious process.

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  8. kwaku nyantekyi

    Great tutorial Nick. For those who are curious, his script was written by Mathais Mohl who I think is literally an intellectual genius who just happened to pursue a career in design rather than a more technical field. He writes these incredible scripts that put fully staffed software development companies to shame.

    He also has a “getting started” youtube video that I’ve liked below which goes into some detail that NIck may have missed. There are also tutorial videos on his youtube channel and website for his other very useful scripts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSfwPowCb-w

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  9. Sidd

    Hello Mr. Nick.. I just installed Ae cs6 but could not find any Maxon C4d File in the new option.. please help me with that.. and accept the request sent :)

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  10. TheChad

    Thanks Nick for the explanation!!!! I bought the script and LOVE IT!!! It is going to be a HUGE help in saving time. Especially since I will be using several different C4D projects in a AE Comp.

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  11. Dave

    All this is fine and dandy but Maxon could wipe out the competition if they just bought out Octane Render. The answer is already out there, they just need to make it happen.

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  12. Hi Nick!
    Great Series of tuts, really nice to have someone like you.
    but.. as one who dont use AE often, i have nothing to do with all those great tuts. Im Longing ?? yours cinema 4d tutorials.. hope something will come soon.

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  13. Jakob

    I dont get the point of this script. There is already a proxy option in the project window, think its even more convince the old fashioned little black square on the footage file. Anyway, thanks for your great other tutorials!
    Cheers j

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  14. mike

    i cant believe what i am seeing… this defeats the whole idea of cineware!! your going back to pre-rendering! hahhah, unbelievable.

    CINEWARE IS NOT THE FUTURE OF WHERE CINEMA 4D IS HEADED!

    Nick, i know you will not openly agree with me as you are obviously on the payroll / contracts with maxon, but come on.. its slow. its really slow.

    this is just unworkable, a project will take twice as long using this method, the ridiculous thing is, all your testing it with is a couple of words, cubes or spheres, could you please show me a test with a “real world” project? this softwarer is for pro’s right?

    forget cineware guys… as you were, hit pre-render and get on with your lives!

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    • MichiSchwarz

      As far as I see it, Cineware is OK for smaller scenes and adding small objects from Cinema to an existing real filmed footage. The interoperability between these two seems good and makes life easier.
      But besides that, I can’t see an advantage yet. First of all: CC is a no go because of the payment method. Secondly, complex scenes will take long to render as what we have seen here or in show rooms, making AE running slow and lagging the workflow. Physical renderer is not supported as of yet, render-clients don’t seem to be supported either (I could be wrong there).
      This plugin seems to be a nice switch, but its not a cheap one. Adding to that, that Cineware is just out yet, it should come to mind the question, why this is not implemented in the final product itself in the first place….

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      • mike

        cc payment method works well for me, i use it and make money from it on a daily basis, small price to pay for what it gives me.

        cinema 4d however is completely overpriced for a motion designer, very frustrating how they mix up which version has what, most motion designers want dynamics, but you need the studio version for that. broadcast version not having full dynamics is just ridiculous.

        as an industry pro of 14 years, at this stage, i will never have a use for cineware. this would actually slow down my production process.

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  15. Chicago Blackhawks

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  16. Simone Nucci

    Hi Nick,
    sorry but I still don’t understand the advantages of this plugin. It would be the same like rendering all out of cinema using low settings and then importing it into AFX. In the meantime you would be still be able to do the compositing.
    With the proxy you wont have a real time feedback anyway, so it’s like using afx in a normal way, like always.

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  17. Nick, thanks for sharing it. I think this will be very useful for more complex cinema scenes.
    I really like the optical flare in your example! Please give us more on that – using the new Cineware-workflow to take the full advantage of 3D and post…
    Cheers, Joe

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    • mike

      er… more complex scenes? the thing will just choke.

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  18. John

    Personally, I don’t see much point in Cinema 4D Lite/Cineware and rendering everything in After Effects at this stage. This product seems intended as more of a spoiler for Element 3D. (which is way off the mark anyhow as thats a particle based system, hence the key ingredient,=speed)

    Maybe in the future Adobe will buy Maxon and C4D will be more fully integrated with AE..hope not mind…the After Effects render engine is archaic..ugh!

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  19. Mark

    Can you apply After Effects Blur on proxied c4d comp layer ?

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  20. Rwalker

    I too might be missing the point of this. If the idea is that you can flip back-and-forth between AE and C4D, making necessary changes as you go, then how does this speed things up if you have to re-render the proxy every time you make a change?

    Also as noted by others earlier, pricing is definitely an issue here.

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  21. Kevin

    I understand why you’re only showing this with a single Cineware layer for this “live” demo, but it’s not such a great idea since people are missing the point: you should rather show that the idea is to manage all the different passes at once.

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    • I really should have used more layers. It would have showed the problem better.

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  22. eugene

    Hey Nick, pls. can someone help me start my CINEWARE pls. i have the c4d r14 and After Effects cs6 but the After Effects can’t open the CINEWARE

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    • Alex

      Cineware and C4D Lite are only available with the new After Effects CC. Download the trial or upgrade.

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  23. am I just special or are .aec files now no longer usable. I’m getting error (yep importer and format plugins installed).

    Cineware is a good step forward but anything complex it’s just tooooo slow

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