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How To Make The Cherry 7up Look With Cinema 4D and After Effects Part 2 178 Comments



In part two of this tutorial, we finish up the lighting and animation in Cinema 4D and prepare our scene to render and for compositing in After Effects. In After Effects, I show you how to use Trapcode Particular, RS Motion Blur, Frischluft Out Of Focus, and Curves to composite the scene, add bubbles and to color correct our render and finish our scene.

Now it’s your turn. If you make something using this technique, link it up in the comments. I would love to see it. Remember, these flying particles can be anything, not just cherries. Try coming up with your own concept. maybe Golf Tees or Legos or Lolly Pops? Make it spell out your name. Try everything to make the spot your own and push the technique further. It’s the best way to learn. Thanks for watching.

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178 Comments

  1. Hey Nick, quick tip:

    You can use the MoGraph Tag > MoGraph Cache, so you don’t have to calculate the physics for every frame when you’re rendering. :)

    Awesome stuff man, keep up the good work! :D

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    • :) Thats a tip for Everyone!

      @ Nicklas, Nick usually does, but it seems he is living up to the statement he made in part 1. “We are going to be very lazy in this tutorial.”

      Laterz!

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  2. Harry

    Hey Nick is there a place I can download your cinema layout? I really like it, it is much better than the default.

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    • Soul Walker

      hey harry actually it is possible to customize one to your likings,or maybe there be an option to export that custom layout you like… whatever works for you!
      just my 2 cents..

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    • Stephen

      Harry, Buy the HDRI Light Kit — Awesome resource and the layout is included.

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  3. not quite what i was expecting in the camera department. cstools is nice and all but i guess i was expecting something more than just point a to point b. i guess i’ll just have to keep playing with the native camera until i get comfortable with it. thanks anyway; keep up the good work.

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  4. here’s a quick piece i threw together using this technique. i’m planning on making the particles a little cooler, but for now it’s just cubes & spheres. i added a rigid body tag to the emitter so the emitted cubes & spheres in the background interact with the dynamic cubes & spheres that form the text. thanks for all your help nick!

    http://vimeo.com/12618463

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  5. Totally unrelated : I just found out that if you put R1 in the selection of a material it will cover only the bevels of that object :]

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  6. caio portella

    question: if the image sey explored? image now inverse: ok a object: like the name and this “name” blow up our flyinh some meshes nick how i cam make that?

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  7. Fun tutorial! But I was hoping to find the solution for the white edges coming from the alpha channel once you import in ae. Nick gets away with it here because of the bright background, but with a darker background it’s really anoying. Someone knows the workaround?

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    • For me i would start working on C4d on a black background

      maybe when u work on a white BG it gives that white edges .. ?

      still needs to be tested and unfortunately I have no time to do it =[

      my finals start next week for 2 weeks then graduation then hella load of C4D works ^^

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    • In Cinema 4D rendersettings, choose ‘straight alpha’, this will give you an unmatted alpha.

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  8. NICK You can also press command + M when you’re ready to render in after affects instead of instead of whatever the other one you mentioned was with the slash key..
    FANTASTIC TUTORIAL…

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    • caio portella

      ohh thx for post ok ahhh i create the tube* and change for volume : clone object tab .. but is not like the video all the cherrys not stay arrond the tube ^^ sorry my english is very bad look the image ^^

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  9. I just watched one of your ustream videos and at the end of it you were saying how you wanted people to do their own thing with with these tutorials – but ones like this were you go through how to model the cherry etc is only encouraging people to have similar work.

    What I liked were your quick tutorials on tracer objects etc which show you a cool example of C4D can do, but also something that’s practical.

    I love these awesome tutorials, they look so good, but maybe rather than showing us how to replicate what you made exactly you’d be better off showing the techniques you used to make the particles move and how they formed the letters. So just the general techniques involved, so it’d FORCE people to come up with something original – rather than having 100s of cherry 7up ads.

    Great work though. I’ll keep on visiting your site daily!

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    • Shahrez Rafiq

      Yeah but you can always use mangoes instead of Cherries. :)
      We can also use spline effector to create some more dynamic transitions.
      I did one in which the S,R,Q characters (extruded) combined to form [SRQ]. I mean we can always modify the technique to our needs.

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    • Oh of course and that’s a great thing for people to do – I think it’s great Nick shows us these techniques, but all I was saying is that he said on ustream that he wants us to do our projects with these techniques. So rather than showing us how to recreate exactly what he’s done – he should just show the techniques, so in a way it’d force people to be original, rather than having the same thing over and over and essentially taking credit for Nick’s effort.

      This will also mean everyones’ show reels will be different.

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  10. Mike Yull

    Matte -> simple choker with a setting of 1 usually does the trick for alpha fringe.

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  11. Hey Nick, thanks! Learned some cool tips!
    I got a question about yours HDRI Light Kit. In the compositing tag for the soft box , the box for camera visibility is not responding am clicking on it to uncheck visible for camera, but it remains checked. So i have to apply another compositing tag and then it works. Another thing, where the images for HDR sky supposed to be? You sad that they are comes with it.
    Thanks man!

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    • Thomas

      There’s an option in the Softbox Controls: “Seen By Camera”.
      The HDRIs are in Lightkit\Extras\HDR Images

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    • HI, Zako,

      There is a “Seen By Camera” Checkbox that should take care of the first part. The HDRI images are in the EXTRAS folder that came with the light kit. Hope that helps. Thanks for getting the kit!
      Cheers,
      nick

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  12. Hi Nick, this is Sascha from Germany. Thanks for this tutorial. It’s allways fun seeing you juggle with the tools. Great work man. I’ve seen that your alpha-render is quite ugly. I mean you get white borders around the cherries. In the Render-Settings under “Anti-Aliasing” you have to check “Consider Multi-Passes”. Now the Alpha-Matt will be anti-aliased too (and the Motion-Output too). For me it’s the nicest change in 11.5 :D

    Keep on going Nick. I love your work!

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  13. Martin

    It’s a slash key! :P Wow, now thats a heck of a tutorial. Thanks and keep up the good work!

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  14. I was really looking for that AE plug-in that could handle motion vector data. Thanks to your tutorial, now I know which one I need.

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  15. Tobias@pocketcommerc

    Cool.Specially the little curves thang you made that upped the orange sunny by downing the blues.
    Gotta love the small things.

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  16. Benjamin

    Hi, I love it. Really cool. I used this tutorial to make a picture with lego bricks. Now I want to print it on a A1 poster. Which format and resolution should I render?
    Thanks.

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  17. guest

    great tutor, Nick!

    but sometimes will you make a “how to solve straight-alpha-white-edges problem?”?

    it would be awesomely amazing! :D

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  18. ok nick please look this site more expecificly the video about espn+abs: how a can create this logo the gloss effect in black?

    http://www.nailgun.tv/

    view plase?

    ok ohh i look the tutorial again and yes i forget the scale the cherrys* i’m stupid !

    Sorry my english! flamengo !

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  19. Nick – Thank you!
    I’ve been through both tutorials a couple of times.
    I really, really appreciate your contribution to the wide world of awesome sexy. You rock.
    I look forward to many more of your end trademark wave goodbyes:)

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  20. Brett Perry

    Hi Nick,
    Great tutorial as always. I have a couple of questions for you or anyone out there. I understand the motion blur pass from C4D, but am wondering if using CC Forced Motion Blur might not be as good a solution for the motion blur? Also would a DOF pass rendered out of C4D provide info. for one of the many plug ins that could use the Z space info. for a more accurate DOF blur? I’m really beginning to groove on C4D thanks to this site!

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    • aaron

      CC force motion blur doesn’t work on rendered movies.

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  21. kevin moody

    I dont see photo jpg when i get ready to render out in after effects

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  22. Steven Jenkins

    Hey, Nick,
    Thoroughly enjoyed both parts of the tutorials as usual. Your generosity has helped me and many others, I’m sure, learn some awesome stuff. One place I get stuck on the 5 second projects is with background music. I hope it’s OK to put in a request here, but could you talk, sometime, in one of your “businessy” videos a little about where to get or how to make good background music for pieces if you’re not a musician, for lack of a better word? One other request is in the planning stages of a graphic, when you’re talking to your customer, I hear a lot about storyboarding. How much of this do you do?

    Thanks again!

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    • Brett Perry

      Hi Steve,
      I’ll plug a few of my favorite sources for BG music. Both Video Copilots Pro Scores and either Smartsound or Sony’s Cinescore are great sources for BG music that you can customize for professional results. I believe all three software can be purchased for less than a couple of hundred dollars and will provide endless customizeable music scores. Hope that helps.

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    • Steven Jenkins

      Thanks! I’ll check those out. I was cosidering getting a Jam Pack for Garage Band, but I had already bought the voices one and it didn’t quite work out. Good to see some other alternatives, especially for those who aren’t so musically inclined.

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  23. Is there an other way to make the motion blur withput this RS Motion Blur plugin? We dont have it, we wont buy it…

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    • Martin

      I believe You can use CC Vector Blur and point to blur pass layer…

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    • Steven Jenkins

      If you can do global illumination, then you have the advanced render module. The AR module contains several options for motion blur from within Cinema 4d.

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  24. referring to: “if you want something positioned in ae where you saw it in 3d..” use a external compositing tag…

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  25. Attila

    Hi Nick!

    I like this tutorial so much, it is very usefull.

    But I have a big question about it:
    Everything works when we try this tutorial with splines like text splines, but in the original Psyop spot we see the cherrys transformed to 3d objects like a trees or a bird. If I try objects with spline effector, it dosen’t work……..:(
    How could this very beautiful effect words between 2-3 cloner objetct?

    Thanks again for the tut!
    I’m waiting for your kind replay!
    Ciao

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    • Saúl Alves

      You can try the opposite. Instead of driving the particles to a spline, you can drive them to the object that contains them. Just position the effector where they form the spline and then move it so they go back to their object.

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  26. Mehmet

    hey nick what is that “DeGamma” that you use in your render settings

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  27. Here’s my piece: http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfrf/4720198862/
    No post in AFx yet.
    Found a solution to filling fat spline shapes or volumetric objects with clones:
    extrude nurbs with a small depth,
    use this extrude for the cloner ‘Object’,
    apply Spline Effector to move clones away from it,
    animate S.E. to stop inluencing the clones – they’ll fly to the volumetric object.
    The reverse of the initial stage in the Cherry tutorial.

    For a Volume-to-Volume transition I’d add an interim spline effector ‘scene’, and switch the Cloner’s ‘Object’ during the keyframes where the S.E. is active.

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    • Attila

      Great!…
      That was my question too!
      Thanks a lot.
      But the volume-to-volume transition you wrote…how will the cherrys fly from one tw another…or will fly away and back to the main volume objects place?
      thanx

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    • Attila, the idea is two have an additional spline ‘stage’ between A and B volumetric objects.
      Here I did a short test from a cube to a cone: http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfrf/4721064994/

      First they run from Cube to the Spline.
      As soon as they arrive to the Spline, switch the Object in Cloner from Cube to Cone.

      Then continue effectors move to complete second part: Spline to Cone.
      In the example I used two effectors – one for each transition. Bad thing is that the Clones velocity is affected in the middle and the flow from A to B is not smooth.
      I’m still in search the solution.

      Nick, please advice, how to run the ‘cherries’ from, say, a Cube to a Torus volumetric shape?

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  28. Hi nick wow another Gr8 tutorial i whant plz to ask u a question that really bother me , what is the best PC characteristic do i look for to have a super fast render
    should i want to have more ram or more graphic card or More CPU and what is the best CPU that u recommend im really confused plz help me :D

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    • The best thing you can do to get a fast render is learn how to optimize your scene and render settings. Buying a faster computer may get you double the speed or even 4X, but if you learn to optimize, you can get 100x faster renders. That said, an 8core mac and a ton of ram helps too.

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  29. Bruce

    Hi there!Thanks for all the great tutorial on your website Nick.
    I wondered if you or anyone elese here had an idea on how to loop a particular particle system.In order to for exemple making a bubble wall that’s perfectly looping

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  30. Bryan D

    the issue your are having with the white edges on your cherries is because you checked the “stratight” check box in C4D under the “alpha” checkbox. Had you not checked that box you would not have had any issues with the cherries edges. That is also the solution to the problem you had with the bubble not looking correct after you rendered it out the first time.

    Other than that Great tut. Thanks Nick for all you do.

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  31. JazzMontreal

    Hey Gorilla! Awesome tutorial! I’m working on a event video and these tools will help me a lot! I’ll post it here when I’ll be done! But I have a problem, the project file for after effect that i save can’t be read.. You say I have to install a plugin for Cinema 4D in after effect???

    thanks

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  32. Abian

    Hi Nick. Just another great tut.
    I`m interested in the right side panel in the open or save window. I guess this is like a system utility. Can you give me the name of this utility ?
    Keep the good work, man.
    Thx.

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  33. Crusat

    i like the part where u come back after rendering and it is already sunday 6PM… “the render just finished!” xD
    Thanx for the work Nick!

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  34. Mehmet

    hey
    i got a couple questions first i wasnt able to see the easy cam data in after effect any idea why…? and the motion vector pass is all green.I dont think there is a data on that an last what can i use for motion blur i dont have real smart motion blur

    thanks

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    • balunium

      maybe your easy cam cam wasnªt active when you exported your data from cinema 4d ,when you export to after you should have the right camera selected, hope this help , salut

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    • M.h salimi

      p.s : i mean in motion blur pass , everything is all green :\

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    • Oliver

      Salimi, try going to the render settings and lower the “Motion Scale Value” (by default 128).
      Give a try with a value of one when the cherries are moving to see if you get some red.

      (It worked for me even though the pass should work without changing that value.)

      Hope it helps.

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    • M.h salimi

      Hey Oliver
      in first thx for reply ,
      i try value “1″, and i got some red cherries on motion blur pass , but still not the result of tutorial .

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  35. i wonder is it just me or what bcz i dont have photojpg 90 with or without audio in my AE output module.. did i miss sumthing? im using windows btw..

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    • balunium

      no, probably that is a custom module nick did, in the output moduleyou just open the tab and in format options select photo-jpeg codec from the list and in the same preferences panel just select with or without audio as convinent

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  36. I love the fact that you don’t just give the numbers to punch in as you said.
    Just one of the reasons your tutorials are the best out there imo.

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  37. balunium

    Hi Nick, great tut , thankx for keeping the knowledge flowing in this mess of trash that is called internet, heres a litlle piece, not too far from what you did but Holy shit! , http://vimeo.com/12818810

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  38. Conotor

    hey great tut nick, i am currently working on a project that is slightly similar to this and ive been having some trouble. I am trying to figure out a way to do this effect only with 3d objects and not just splines…. like getting a bunch of clones to form 3d shapes and switch between them like u did with the text… I cant quiet figure it out… any ideas?????????

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  39. So i have a question to make…. When u Open C4D the projects settings are always set to 30fps and in Render Settings the video size to 320*240 … is there a way to always open the project at 25fps and the output to 1280*720 witch is the custom settings i use to all my projects?

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  40. Julien

    Hi, excellent tutorial man !

    I am a beginner and i asked myself if it was possible to create the same animation with the “Attraction tag” ? (just to know)

    thanx !

    PS : by the way you should add a forum to your blog, it would be great ! we could share between us and not just you and us.

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  41. Hi Nick,
    How do I control the speed of the objects moving from the cylinder to the text spline?
    Is it the falloff that defines the speed of the objects?

    cheers

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  42. Hi Nick,

    Do you work with RealFlow at all? If not, got any suggestions on making liquid effects with Cinema?

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  43. I looked all the 2 part just to see how you makes the bubbles in c4d. Then I see particular! Oh no, that’s what im trying to avoid. hahaha!
    Anyway, is a very usefull tutorial.
    And the mograph cache tag’s recomendation too.

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  44. Final Cut Pro

    Nick… I am using GI to render the scene… I tried to use the same SKY technique that you used, but it gave me a REALLY grainy look on the cherries up close… Even though its only for a few frames, it is very noticeable… I started another render using IR Camera Animation and the first 25 frames render a prepass in 2 hours…

    It is 34 hours later, I am on frame 42 out of 330… Still doing the prepass… And I know this shouldn’t be a 6 day render… Is there ANY advice you can give to speed this shit up bro!?!?! Im desperate…

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  45. Nice one on part 2! Learning a lot from this.

    “If you don’t have CSTools installed… Holy crap. Stop watching me. Go install CStools.”
    Loved that.

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  46. Jamie

    ok so i rendered my project in c4d and tried to open it in AE and i cant open all of the files at once, it’ll only let me open 1. also the .aec file wont open either..is there something im missing, or am i gunna have to open each of the 500 frames?

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    • Thomas

      Jamie: You need the C4D-plugin in AE too. It should be in the exchange plugins folder in your Maxon directory where you installed it. (I know it’s a while since you posted, but maybe others wonder the same) Best of luck
      ~Thomas

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  47. Hi Nick!
    This is my first week in C4D and u’ve been my only guide :D And this was my first C4D tutorial, so I did my best at re-doing everything ^___^’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWhZ7MYR_2M&hd=1

    but there is one issue … I wish you could help me out
    if objects(cherries) are too big – text ain’t readable
    but if you make objects smaller – letters get empty inside … I guess you can use bold and normal fonts to fill the text, but may be there is more convenient way around it?

    thatnks for the tutorial! 8P

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  48. Great tutorial, just got one problem.
    My spline effectors seem to briefly spread the “Cherries” just before they settle in position. I looked at tweaking:
    “effector strength”, “Falloff Strength” and “Falloff Size” but it still didn’t smooth it out. Any Ideas?

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  49. Rqings

    Great job! i “hate” u! hehe

    Did u guys know how to create some sort of effects like
    KRAKATOA in 3dsmax. smoke effects, or Harry Porter’s Death eater effect. Can C4d produce something like that?
    other than thinking particle or pyro.

    thnx

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  50. everything was fine until i have a problem with and one more spline effector in total is 3 and 3 texts i wanted to write SharpAceMedia but the objects stuck as they didnt start from the cylinder but from Media the last word and didnt move on.

    BTW i wish you can make a trial vesion or the HDRi

    Thnx alot <3

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  51. Thomas

    Awesome tutorial. Thanks a lot, Nick, again and again!

    The Gorilla deserves his bananas! ;)

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  52. Hello Nick! You were at our school about a week ago i Sweden. I just want to say thank you and share my work. (right now i feel a bit like a child, I never comment on stuff;). Anyway I did your tutorial with a twist, but i didn´t have patience for lighting and doing all the rendering settings… Next time i will, see ya!
    http://vimeo.com/14983089

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  53. Jamie

    yeah the tiff sequence wasn’t on, but thanks for the help!! :)

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  54. Mohamed

    nice work Mr gorilla i love your work i wish if u can put a tutorial about using materials to gets a sexy pretty look like u say

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  55. OmarGon

    Dude, when i do the fake render and a turn the global lumination off, the balls on the screen go to soft green. But with global lumination go dark green. The never get dark¡¡¡
    Hint: When I Used the HDR image it didnt get red in the center. :S

    Could be becouse of the position of the soft box?

    Any idea, anyone?

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    • OmarGon

      And How to use the Delay Efector… i use it selecting the clonner objetc… and I check out it on the effectors of the clonner object, but it continuos looking lik e a rush to get to the text.

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  56. Hi,

    Two questions:
    1. If I have an Illustrator logo how do I set it up so the particles flow from the cylinder to the logo rather than the type?
    2. How do I randomize the particle size (cherry)
    I am a total newbee so be gentle. :)

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    • Hi, Lyle, The process is the same. Just save your logo in as illustrator 8 to use it just the same. Use a Random Effector to randomize the particles. Best of luck!

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  57. Graphicbaby

    a question: I really cant find a nice white glossy material cuz if I use the fresnel the material will turn more or less grey, have you got any tips?

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  58. Hi Nick,

    First of all, you are a genius, I ‘bumped’ into your blog just a couple of days ago – thanks for taking the time to do this tutorials, I’ve already learned more doing a couple of your tutorials than any other course.

    I know this was posted a while back, not sure if you’ll be able to help me – done all the c4d work and as I am doing the save render I’ve notice the cherries are not totally round, they seem to be a bit ‘squashed’ …. can’t figure out if its a camera setting or what…. If I do a normal preview render on c4d worktop they are perfectly round, but the shape changes when I do the high rendering.

    By the way, I purchased your light kid – …… love it!!!

    Thanks – great work :)

    Oscar

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  59. kuunami

    Nick, just a quick tip. For situations like the part where you were making adjustments to the reflection of your bubble in the material editor, it’s easier to use the interactive render region instead of constantly having to hit ctrl+r to see your render.

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  60. Thien Nguyen

    can you please show me how to make a simple heart please :( I’ve been frustrating trying to make one…

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  61. Adeeb

    I want 2 thank 4 all tutorials man.
    i’ve been lookin’ so much laren c4d & i’ve fuond what im lookin’ 4 .
    thanx Gorilla.

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  62. Adeeb

    I want 2 thank u 4 all tutorials man.
    i’ve been lookin’ so much 2 laren c4d & i’ve fuond what im lookin’ 4 .
    thanx Gorilla.

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  63. musajjamugezi

    was I supposed to read wat was on that notepad file that opened up…
    mmm…

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  64. Stephane

    Hi Nick,

    Thanks for your great tutorials, I’ve started learning 3D and you’re very inspirational and I can’t wait to do more of your tutorials!

    Cheers from France~

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  65. Just an addendum to my previous comment, I figured out a way to make the motion blur transitions even smoother. I changed the Shutter Angel to 100, and increased the Shutter Samples to 10. This dramatically increases render time, but the that’s the trade-off you suffer if you cannot purchase the RSMB plug-in. It works well, though!

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  66. Great tut but i have a little question on my final rend when it’s rendering i have white edges on my berries and stems is that normal…? plz answer asp grtzzz

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    • Hey! I’ve had the same problem, I found out how to fix it. You have to use the Alpha Levels and increase the Input black level. Hope it will help.

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  67. jobby

    Hi everyone.by the way thanks man for this awesome tutorial…but I think I messed up somewhere. I have already rendered it but the AE won’t recognize the AE file exported from C4D…It says unsupported file…am i missing something.?thanks a a lot.

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    • jobby

      it’s ok now..i’ve figured it out..its just a missing plug-in from c4d.thanks a lot.

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  68. Jhonattan Rodriguez

    Realmente sorprendente …!!!
    Como te admiro Nick…!! saludos desde Colombia!!

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  69. Hi, Nick.
    Excellent tutorial, thanks a lot for work.
    Just want to ask to cut the rendering time

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  70. midos

    where is this tut part 2? i really need it… And at first Tnx ;)

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  71. Ryan Joy

    To all those guys who are still stuck up with the ”missing plugin” confusion… its called ‘Reel Smart Motion Blur’ (RSMB).. .. Brit has given us info on this in the comments section on part 1 of the tutorial with an alternative solution to the plugin… credits to Brit..

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  72. Tuzuharu

    Nice tut, thanks. But guys I’d like to know how to make the berries, or the particles or whaterver actually fill the text spline (the inside of it) instead of just following the external path, I have gaps between it, not nice at all.
    I’m using R14. Thanks Nick, thanks guys!

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  73. yaara

    Nick! you’re the best!! Thanks a lot for all your tutorials, i learned so much from watching just this one.. bless you :)

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  74. David

    I know this is an old tut, but I’m having some unusual behavior. My cherries are like fighting with each other in some nooks and crannies, takes them almost 10 seconds or so to slow down. I’m on r15. At first I had to set the shape type from automatic to automatic(modynamics) and it seemed to calm down, but then returned. Setting it to moving mesh seems to make it even worse. Any clue what’s going on here guys?

    Cheers!
    David

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