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In this episode, the crew discusses the WWDC keynote announcements made by Apple in June of 2017. Enjoy responsibly.
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Thanks for this guys, Nick I have to agree with your closing comments on the iMac. I found myself nodding my head as you spoke about this is your work machine, this is what you use to get things done and if there’s a PC problem that takes you out of the game, then that’s it. Apple has my trust and PC doesn’t, that’s what keeps me on Apple. PC does feel like a gamble to me and I’m glad to see someone put those words together and say it.
What did you guys think about the new support for external GPU’s? (did I miss that?) Would mean being able to run octane on your MacBook pro?:
I moved from Apple to PC about 2 years, I have to say although it doesn’t look quite as good I have not regretted it one bit. I’ve not had that slowing down over time issue, that I’ve had in the past, it doesn’t crash, it works great. It doesn’t unfortunately have the sleep feature that’s so fast on Mac, but it is useable from switch on in about 10 seconds.
Something no one mentions is file management, I think it’s much better on PC, split screen ability, wiggle the mouse to only display the one window you want etc.
All my “apps” are in google so Chrome is great and integrates with my Galaxy s8
But that new iMac does look gorgeous, ( so does the Microsoft Studio )
I have a question 🙂 – Maybe you guys can chip in here 🙂
Who is the new IMac Pro for? I mean if you are a 3D motion graphic artist, why would you buy a machine that can’t run half the GPU render engines that are being used these days?
Staying relevant and competitive and knowing how to use software (like octane etc.) that is becoming so widely used, seems really important if this is what you do for a living, correct?
This is what I don’t understand, if they are aiming towards professional users needing lots and lots of computer power, why ignore the 3D community? Don’t these people make up a huge part of this pro user base they want to attract?
So who is this IMac Pro for?
Loving the Podcast guys!!
I think the wide majority of “Pro” people are most likely not doing a ton of 3D. Most are designers, editors, etc.
Great discussion on the PC/Mac dilema. Here’s my personal experience.
For a good number of years I worked on a Retina iMac (2014?) doing Premiere/After Effects (primarily) and it was a great experience. Massive screen, reliable, beautiful OS. No viruses or hassle. It was a great machine/tool for what I needed, which is exactly what Nick is trying to emphasise.
However, as I moved more into Cinema 4D/Octane I needed to make some decisions as to whether a new Apple machine was the right choice for the career path ahead. I also grew very tired of the clunky Apple restrictions (don’t ever enable 2-step verification unless you own every Apple product!) and premium.
Due to what I would attribute to overall brand fatigue and disillusionment of the Apple future (on the back of things such as the Macbook’s not even having F keys anymore, let alone needing a tonne of dongles) I made the scary jump to a GTX1070 custom built PC (using proper brand parts, by reputable professionals, not me!) running Windows 10.
It was initially a bit of a step into that world as I needed to rediscover what programs could safely be used to fill roles that were previously done by Mac only software (Colorsnapper!) but I have grown to love Windows 10. I reassigned my keyboard keys (using SharpKeys) so that the muscle memory of shortcuts felt the same. There are even several aspects of Windows 10 that I would say surpass that of MacOS in regards to being a pleasure to use, such as being able to rename folders while in ‘Open/Save’ dialogue boxes.
Life was great. However, 5 months in I came into the office and my machine was off. Hitting the power button did nothing. Completely dead, no reason why. After trying two local PC repair stores, I couriered off for repair under warranty, turns out the whole time it was a bad power cable which I could have bought from a local electronics store. The two local PC repair stores couldn’t even diagnose a bad cable, suggesting that perhaps the motherboard had failed. 1 full work week lost had now been lost.
The day I get the machine back I’m prompted to update the Nvida driver by the Nvidia program. Instant Blue-Screen-Of-Death (BSOD). I reboot but the machine continues to boot into the BSOD and cannot even get into safemode. I have no Windows Recovery drive set up. I pack the machine up again and this time drive it to the PC store myself (1.5 hours each way). It gets a complete Windows 10 reinstall due to a bad/corrupt driver (all software/plugins gone) and I drive up/back again the next day to get the machine (another 1.5 each way). Finally the machine is back and working, but I need to spend another 8 hour day reinstalling all software (downloading, so you better has fast internet), finding serials in emails, plugins. I work from Dropbox so 500Gb of data needs to re-sync. More downloading. We’ve now lost over 2 weeks. Finally the PC machine is back up and running, and several weeks later it’s still running beautifully pumping out C4D/Octane work. Far more powerful than the iMac or my MBP, and equally as pleasant to use the OS.
The whole time that the PC was down I relied on my Late 2013 2.3GHz GT750M MBP to continue projects. It was connected to my monitor (an exact outworking of Chad’s comment to the benefit of having a ‘spare’ screen when you have a PC build). Working on the MBP was slower, really painful at times, but fine for 3D modelling stages of projects and After Effects design/compositing/animation. Without that MBP I would have been dead in the water. All projects would have stopped. That MBP has been a solid performer, an absolute workhorse from day one, and I mistreat it terribly (occasionally I would render in C4D while the laptop was closed in my backpack on my motorbike ride home; poor fans!….and I even once dropped it onto the road from the roof of my car).
Moral of the story; I think the setup suggested (by Chad?) to have a PC workstation and a MacBook Pro is the way to go. I love using my Macbook on the couch and I know that it’s built solid. It’s so reliable that it will (and has) save me when the PC has a random issue outside of my control. Mac’s of today are without a doubt poor value in regards to power, but for me I’ve found them to be incredibly stable and reliable to do the job, albeit slower than a PC with the same financial investment could produce. That ‘stability’ is not to be underestimated, and should well be assigned a dollar value when making the decision as to Mac/PC. The two weeks that I lost due to my PC theoretically cost me thousands of dollars, so that could be said to be the same inverstment that I could have put into a stable Mac, maybe even one that runs external GPUs like Michael Wrigley’s (http://www.michaelrigley.com/). A Mac like that would be expensive, but would be a dream, and probably rather stable. I know not all Macs seem bulletproof, but I personally had never had a proper Mac ‘problem’.
My combination of a $3k AUD PC setup and a $3k AUD MBP has suited me well for all of my needs and still feels like the right decision. I have the MBP for client meetings and home use, and a PC tower for really going hard. I wouldn’t see value in investing into an expensive iMac or a Mac with external GPUs because it would be a massive investment and leave me with only a single machine.
I hope this experience helps give thought to your decisions.
I’m sorry guys but you all sound like seriously biased people. It’s already been shown by ALL serious outlets that building an equilvanet to the iMac Pro (which is $5,000), building an equivalent is the same price WITHOUT a 5k Monitor included.
I really don’t understand why you guys bullshit like this but frankly, after watching this, the only reason I’m around is because Nick doesn’t give in to the bullying and you guys make great tutorials and products.
But please, stop being so damn biased.
Thanks for the honest feedback! I honestly hope Apple creates a killer workstation capable of running the tools I use. If the price was right, I’d definitely give it a shot.
Hey GSG team! Love your stuff.
Listened to this podcast a little late, but hopefully not to late to get your take. You guys didnt mention external gpu support, which gives the adding externally argument a bit of a nod. I know for my 2016 MBP I plan to buy a external chassis with a good video card. As for the iMac pro, your getting quite the computer: an 8 core server based processor, 5k monitor, two Vega video cards, 32GB Ram, 1tb of SSD storage that is some of the fastest in the industry. I could probably build something that powerful for maybe 3000. Two similar video cards: $800. 5k monitor: $1000. 1tb of SSD: $400. 8-core Xeon: $500. 32GB of ram: $150. This isn’t including the motherboard, but those are usually cheap. HP might sell something at like $3800. And 2000 bucks isn’t anything to balk at, but I think there are also some hidden costs when it comes to the Mac: free OS upgrades, more stability, free use of decent software like keynote, GarageBand, iPhoto. Doesn’t add up to much, but i would toss in like 500 bucks of free stuff over the lifetime of the computer, compared to a PC. I would also pitch that no one else puts in thunderbolt 3 grade ports in their machines other than Apple, but that might be changing with the inclusion of USB-c in that same port. My problem with Apple is that they come out with a new computer that is priced fairly decent, but in two years time they don’t adjust the price and then it becomes sheer nonsense when compared to a PC price. They should either be updating the computer or lowering the price. Just didn’t hear those arguments presented and wanted to share them.
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